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ZICK HOME LOANS & Realvest Funding
MORTGAGE
REPORT

April 2005

The Zick Home Loans & Realvest Funding Mortgage Report is published about once a month. It has a dual purpose. It should be of special interest to those of you in the mortgage business, particularly if you are a part of our mortgage group. Secondly, it is, in part, my chance to ramble on about what is bothering me. In this regard, this e-newsletter is intended to serve no special or worthwhile purpose. It is just my way of telling you what is going on in the world of real estate education, the investing business and the mortgage business. My only goal is that I don't get sued and you are entertained a bit. For an e-newsletter of merit about real estate investing watch for our next issue of Advice for the Impatient Investor which will be out the first week of May.

Editors: Bernard "Barney" Zick bernard@zick.com, Karen Zick and Amy McIntee

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In this issue:

RealVestFunding.com

Freedom Equity Group Hearsay

ZickHomeLoans.com

  • Record Number of Metros Show Double-Digit Home-Price Gains
  • Second-Home Market Surges, Bigger Than Shown in Earlier Studies

Zick Stuff

  • RIGHT OF REDEMPTION
  • CLOSING? WHAT CLOSING?

Upcoming Events

  • “How to Finance ANY Deal!” Boot Camp

RealVestFunding.com

A case study – Do we have a deal?

Q. I was wondering how you might structure a deal. I have found a 120 unit apartment building that is supposedly offered below appraisal. I haven't seen their appraisal yet. It currently has 94% occupancy with a GRM of 3.7 on the asking price of $2.5 million.

It has a first mortgage that can be assumed in the amount of $1.7 million. It's at a really good rate (5.34%); below what I probably could get at present. It has a pretty good term too; amortized over 30, due in eight, with a 1% transfer fee.

I would really like to assume the 1st, but the owners will not carry a 2nd for the remaining $800,000 (it is an estate liquidation). Any ideas on where I can get the remainder?

Do you know of any lenders that I could approach that would be willing to be in 2nd position for a short period of time (2 to 3 years, maximum)? I feel that I am asking the lenders the wrong questions about the type of loan I need. I am aware of 1st liens, 2nd liens, owner carry backs and hard money loans, but I am not very familiar with all of the other different products that may be available to me. I have heard of bridge loans, Mezzanine financing and a few other ones, but don't know much about them. Any help would be appreciated!!

Thanks,
Joel

A. There is second mortgage money available for apartments but not with zero down. Most of them want 20% or more down. The hard money and bridge loan people will work with you without a down payment if you have a super bargain. If the total debt to loan ratio will be 70% or less, they will look at it. It is also possible to get a loan without a down payment if you have super upside potential. And the more you are relying on what you can do with the property once you own it, the more important your resume is.

How much of a discount are you getting from the appraisal? Dollar and percentage. Is there upside potential and how much? You might also be able to bring in partners. By the way, GRM or Gross Rent Multiplier is a very poor measure of value. (You need to study our Income Property Boot Camp CDs.) What is the cash on cash return and the cap rate? If there is high cash on cash return and lots of potential for upside then it is an easier story to sell. Keep me informed.

BZ



Freedom Equity Group Hearsay

MORE HELP IS ON THE WAY!

We just learned about some great news from Bill St.Clair at Freedom Equity Group.  They have hired a Support Person to work in the San Jose, CA office to field questions about anything to do with the loan process.  Until now, Karen and I have done our best to help you, but, even we couldn't answer all of your questions and address all of your issues.  Now you can take those "out of the box" and "what if?" and "will this fly?" questions to a single person that will serve as a liaison of sorts between you and the loan processors.

Now you can even more aggressively grow your Mortgage Loan Originator Business because we have another person at Freedom Equity Mortgage on our side to help us!  For more information, contact our office at reitbootcamp@kingwoodcable.net.



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Record Number of Metros Show Double-Digit Home-Price Gains

WASHINGTON (February 15, 2005) – A record number of metropolitan areas showed double-digit annual price appreciation in median existing-home prices in the fourth quarter, and the overall pace of annual price growth accelerated from the third quarter, according to the latest survey by National Association of Realtors®.

The association’s fourth-quarter metro area home price report, covering 129 metropolitan statistical areas,* shows 62 areas with double-digit annual increases in median existing-home prices and only four areas posting modest price declines. The previous record was 49 metros showing double-digit price appreciation in the second quarter of 2004.

The national median existing-home price was $187,500 in the fourth quarter, 8.8 percent higher than a year earlier when the median price was $172,400. The median is a typical market price where half of the homes sold for more and half sold for less. In the third quarter of 2004, the national annual rate of home-price appreciation was 7.5 percent.

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David Lereah, NAR’s chief economist, said it’s a simple matter of supply and demand. “We ended 2004 with a record low supply of homes on the market,” he said. “With more buyers than sellers nationally, what we’re seeing is a natural pressure on home prices as buyers compete to bid on available properties. Fortunately, the historically low cost of debt service on a home purchase means that we have a comfortable buffer in most of the country because the typical family can afford to buy a home well above the median price.”

The strongest price increase was in the Las Vegas area where the fourth quarter price of $281,400 rose 47.3 percent from a year earlier. Next came the Riverside-San Bernardino area of California at $322,400, up 34.7 percent from the fourth quarter of 2003. Third was the West Palm Beach-Boca Raton-Delray Beach area of Florida, with a fourth quarter median price of $338,800, up 34.0 percent in the last year.

Lereah said analysts looking for signs of weakness will be disappointed. “In the handful of areas with price declines, none had previously experienced rapid price growth,” he said. “In fact, they were all lower-cost areas experiencing one or both of the conditions necessary for temporary price softness – local economic weakness, mainly in jobs, or a large supply of homes available in the local market.”

NAR President Al Mansell, CEO of Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage in Salt Lake City, said market performance has contradicted predictions of a home-price bubble for four years now. “Although temporary price declines are always possible under the right conditions, people who were scared off by faulty predictions have missed out on the strongest housing market in U.S. history,” he said. “Considering rents on comparable properties generally are higher than mortgage payments, and housing returns generally are multiples of a down payment, a little perspective may help. The population is growing faster than the supply of homes, the cost of construction rarely declines and the long-term prospects are positive – one of the largest generations in U.S. history, who believe housing is a good investment, is just entering the years in which people typically buy their first home.”

Median fourth-quarter metro area resale prices ranged from $87,800 in Beaumont-Port Arthur, Texas, to more than seven times that amount in the San Francisco Bay area where the median price was $656,700. The second most expensive area in the United States was Anaheim-Santa Ana (Orange Co., Calif.) at $627,500, followed by San Diego at $569,900.

Other low-cost markets include Springfield, Ill., the second least-costly area, at $93,600, and Buffalo-Niagara Falls, N.Y., with a fourth-quarter typical resale home price of $94,800.

Regionally, the strongest increase was in the West where the median resale price was $278,000 during the fourth quarter, up 14.1 percent from a year ago. After the Las Vegas and Riverside-San Bernardino areas, the strongest increase in the region was in Sacramento, with a fourth-quarter median price of $343,800, up 31.5 percent from a year earlier, followed by the Reno, Nev., area, where the median price of $286,200 rose 25.5 percent. Twelve other Western metro areas also experienced double-digit price gains including Los Angeles, San Francisco, Anaheim-Santa Ana, San Diego and Honolulu.

In the Northeast, the median resale price during the fourth quarter was $222,500, rising 13.5 percent from a year earlier. The strongest increase in the region was in the Atlantic City, N.J., area, at $216,500, up 18.9 percent from the fourth quarter of 2003, followed by New Haven-Meriden, Conn., with a median price of $264,600, and Monmouth-Ocean, N.J., at $338,400, both up 16.5 percent, and the Albany-Schenectady-Troy area of New York, where the typical resale price of $168,600 rose 16.0 percent from the fourth quarter of 2003. Eleven other Northeastern metros had double-digit price gains including the New York City area, Philadelphia, Hartford, Buffalo-Niagara Falls and Providence.

In the South, the median existing-home price of $169,700 was 8.0 percent higher than the fourth quarter of 2003. After the West Palm Beach-Boca Raton-Delray Beach area, the strongest increase in the South was in the Bradenton area of Florida, where the fourth quarter median price of $245,700 rose 32.0 percent from a year earlier. Next came the Melbourne-Titusville-Palm Bay area of Florida at $172,200, up 30.5 percent, and the Washington, D.C., area, where the median price of $370,800 was 26.9 percent higher than a year earlier. Twenty-two other Southern metro areas experienced double-digit increases in their median price including Baltimore; the Florida metro areas of Miami-Hialeah, Orlando, Ft. Lauderdale-Hollywood-Pompano Beach, and Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater; New Orleans; Norfolk-Virginia Beach-Newport News, Va.; and Birmingham, Ala.

In the Midwest, the fourth-quarter median existing-home price of $151,000 increased 6.9 percent from the same period in 2003. The strongest increase in the Midwest was in the Waterloo-Cedar Falls area of Iowa, where the median price of $97,900 was 13.2 percent higher than the fourth quarter of 2003. Next came Springfield, Mo., at $109,100 in the fourth quarter, up 12.4 percent, and the Milwaukee area $199,300, up 11.3 percent in the last year. Aurora-Elgin, Ill., and Fargo, N.D., also had double-digit gains.

The National Association of Realtors®, “The Voice for Real Estate,” is America’s largest trade association, representing 1 million members involved in all aspects of the residential and commercial real estate industries.

Copyright National Association of REALTORS®, Reprinted with permission.

For more information contact:

Walter Molony, 202/383-1177
wmolony@realtors.org

Lucien Salvant, 202/383-1176
lsalvant@realtors.orG



Second-Home Market Surges, Bigger Than Shown in Earlier Studies

Ed. Note:  The following article indicates a major increase in the number of homes purchased for investment in 2004.


WASHINGTON (March 1, 2005) – A new study shows sales of second homes surged in 2004, and that investment property and vacation homes make up a significant portion of the overall housing market, accounting for more than one-third of residential transactions, according to the National Association of Realtors®.

The new study, based on two surveys, shows that 23 percent of all homes purchased in 2004 were for investment, while another 13 percent were vacation homes. In addition, there was a record of 2.82 million second home sales in 2004, up 16.3 percent from 2.42 million 2003. The investment-home component rose 14.4 percent to 1.80 million sales in 2004 from 1.57 million in 2003, while vacation-home sales rose 19.8 percent to 1.02 million in 2004 from 850,000 in 2003.

David Lereah, NAR’s chief economist, said earlier studies underestimated the number of second-home sales because a very small percentage of surveys mailed to second-home addresses were returned. “We found excellent results for studies looking at owner-occupied homes, but this is the first time anyone has come up with a methodology for capturing a representative market share for vacation- and investment-home owners,” he said. “In fact, given the size of the market, we can assume that many individual owners have more than one investment property.”

Previous studies had indicated the total stock of second homes purchased for investment or recreation was 6.6 million units. “The lion’s share of second-home sales in earlier studies were vacation homes, and previously reported figures for the total number of second homes in the U.S. coincide with the current figures we have for the number of vacation homes,” Lereah said. “However, we’ve seen a shift over the last few years with a growing number of second-home buyers purchasing primarily for investment. This led us to a new examination and understanding as to how much larger investment homes are as a share of the overall housing market.”

An examination of 2003 data from the Census Bureau shows there are 43.8 million second homes in the United States, including 6.6 million vacation homes and 37.2 million investment units, compared with 72.1 million owner-occupied homes.

“In essence, our definition of second homes has changed with the buyer shift toward investment property,” Lereah said. “In examining Census data to determine the number of investment units, we see that second homes are a much larger share than the conventional mind-set of them being mostly vacation homes.”

NAR has no data to differentiate between individual or corporate investment-home owners of the existing housing stock. The sales figures shown in the study are for individual buyers, and the market share of investment purchases rose 1 percentage point in 2004 from 22 percent of transactions in 2003. An e-mail survey of home buyers, incorporating new methodology, was used to determine second-home sales data.

A second survey, conducted by mail and used for demographic and related data in the 2005 National Association of Realtors® Profile of Second-Home Buyers, underscores the e-mail findings.

NAR President Al Mansell, CEO of Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage in Salt Lake City, said the market is evolving. “We’re finding that the distinctions between vacation- and investment-home buyers are such that we’re really looking at two very different markets,” he said.

For example, 86 percent of vacation-home buyers do not rent their property compared with only 21 percent of investment buyers. It appears that the majority of investment homes are actually a renter’s primary residence, and only 10 percent of investment buyers intend to use their second property for recreational purposes.

The typical vacation-home buyer is 55 years old and earned $71,000 in 2003, while investment-property buyers had a median age of 47 and earned $85,700.

For properties purchased between mid-2003 and mid-2004, the median price of a vacation home was $190,000 compared with $148,000 for investment homes. In contrast with the last available full-year price data in 2001, vacation homes have appreciated 12.8 percent from $168,500, and investment homes have risen 25.4 percent from $118,000.

Nearly one out of five second homes will become primary residences after retirement – 27 percent of vacation homes and 14 percent of investment property. “In addition, buyers were looking to diversify portfolio investments,” Mansell said. “This is now the most frequently cited motivation for purchasing a second home.”

In listing the reasons why they bought second homes, respondents said there were some differences depending on the type of home. Overall, 30 percent of buyers wanted to diversify investments, 28 percent sought rental income (37 percent investment vs. 7 percent vacation homes), 14 percent wanted a personal or family retreat (29 percent vacation vs. 8 percent investment), 6 percent planned to use for vacations (16 percent vacation vs. 2 percent investment), and 5 percent had extra money to spend.

“Because the typical second-home buyer is a baby boomer, it’s likely over the next decade that second-home sales will remain historically high,” Lereah said. “The boomers are still in their peak earning years and have both the wherewithal and the desire to purchase vacation homes and investment properties.”

Ninety-two percent of all second-home buyers see their property as a good investment. In addition, 38 percent said it was very likely they’d purchase another home within two years, breaking down to 47 percent of investment buyers and 16 percent of vacation-home buyers.

Investment properties of recent buyers tend to be located close to the primary residence of owners, with a median distance of 18 miles, while vacation home buyers were at a median distance of 49 miles.

The typical vacation home purchased during the period was a single-family detached home, accounting for 83 percent, with a median size of 1,290 square feet. Half of all buyers said their vacation home was smaller than their primary residence, 13 percent said about the same and 37 percent reported it was larger.

The typical investment property also was a single-family home, 79 percent, with a median size of 1,700 square feet. Sixty-two percent of recently purchased investment homes were smaller than the owner’s primary residence.

In searching for a second home, 83 percent of buyers used real estate agents. When asked where they first learned about the home purchased, 31 percent said a real estate agent; 24 percent a yard sign; 15 percent from a friend, neighbor or relative; 8 percent knew the seller; 7 percent from a builder; 6 percent on the Internet; and 2 percent from a newspaper or TV ad.

Typical buyers searched seven weeks to find their second home and looked at six properties. Eighty-three percent financed with a mortgage and made a median down payment of 22 percent. Although 45 percent use savings for a down payment, 29 percent used equity from a previous home.

Methodology

The second-home study was based on two surveys. To determine demographics, price data and the process for buying, NAR mailed an eight-page questionnaire to a national sample of 100,000 recent homebuyers who purchased their homes between mid-2003 and mid-2004 based on county records. The survey generated 8,205 usable responses; the response rate was 8.2 percent. Data in this report includes only survey data from respondents who indicated that they purchased a vacation home or investment property; this data was underrepresented in the overall sample due to smaller return rates.

A second survey to determine market share and to extrapolate sales data was conducted in January 2005 by e-mail. That survey captured data for 3,371 home purchases in 2003 and 2004, with roughly equal samples for each year; data were weighted to correspond with demographic findings in the mailed survey. Because the findings showed a much higher volume of second-home sales than earlier believed, NAR examined Census Bureau data from the Housing Vacancy Survey and the Residential Finance Survey and found a strong correlation in comparing the differences between owner-occupied and renter-occupied housing, as well as data for occasional use and vacant housing.

The 2005 National Association of Realtors® Profile of Second-Home Buyers can be ordered by calling 800/874-6500. The cost is $35 for NAR members and $50 for non-members.

The National Association of Realtors®, “The Voice for Real Estate,” is America’s largest trade association, representing 1 million members involved in all aspects of the residential and commercial real estate industries.

Copyright National Association of REALTORS®, Reprinted with permission.

For more information contact:

Walter Molony, 202/383-1177
wmolony@realtors.org

Lucien Salvant, 202/383-1176
lsalvant@realtors.orG



Zick Stuff

RIGHT OF REDEMPTION

Q. I recently heard about a strategy to negate the right of redemption which is established by CH 34 of the Texas Property Code which says the homeowner has six months or two years (depending upon whether it is a homestead or not) to redeem his home from the buyer who purchased it at the Constable's Auction (a tax sale, not a mortgage foreclosure). Basically, you buy the property at the Constable Auction and then negotiate a deal with the homeowner where you pay him some amount of money in exchange for him signing an "Assignment of Redemption Right" letter. You are now assured of owning the property and can keep it or sell it!

Ever hear of any such letter? Do you know anything about what should be in the letter?

Thanks,
Pat


A. Not only have I heard of it I’ve told students to do it and they have. However, I don't have a formally drawn letter. If I needed one I would ask my attorney for it. You also might try calling the title company you use and ask them, "If I bring in a deed from a seller to me saying they deed me their redemptive right (or a quit claim deed) will I get clear title if I also purchased it at a tax sale?"

I checked with Quincy Long (qlong@entrusttexas.com) with Entrust and he says he has personally done this with a warranty deed and got title insurance on the property.

BZ



CLOSING? WHAT CLOSING?

Q. Hi Barney, I am a new student of yours and have a question. I am currently listening to the options/lease options CD set and I understand about 98% of what you teach. I am looking forward to using your advice when doing my first deal. The question I have is about closings and a lease with the option to buy. You stumped me when you talked about having the money for the security deposit and the option at the closing. What closing? I didn't know you had a closing on a lease/lease option in the state of Texas. I understand the concept of closing in two or three days if it were a purchase, but if it’s a master lease with option to buy, is there actually a closing at a title company? Also the concept implies that a mortgage payment is skipped since they are usually due somewhere between the 1st and the 15th. The owner will still have to make that payment, and since I will be on a master lease with him and I will be taking the rents, where is his payment going to come from?

I believe I understand the concept pretty well, then I get a question like this. I am not a new investor, so this sounds pretty dumb even asking this question, but it is quite a point of consternation with me at the moment.

Thanks,
Joel

A. Many people are easily confused by this. I have heard it called first and second closing. The ‘first’ closing is when you sign the lease option documents and you give them the cash to bring things current. The ‘second’ closing is when you finally buy the property, which may or may not be at a title company. So we were using the word closing to describe the initial transaction. As to how much you pay, that will be decided between the two of you. If a next payment has to be made, that should be agreed upon. Hope this helps.

BZ

 


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May 20th, 21st & 22nd we are presenting a new Boot Camp called "How to Finance ANY deal!"  We will cover Lease Options, Owner carried financing and Conventional and Hard money loans. Two new topics will be “Making Money Referring Commercial and Investment Loans” and “Getting Cash from Passive Investors – Structuring the Deals.”  This Boot Camp just keeps getting better and better! We may need to go to evening sessions to get it all in!



All new for 2005!  Learn it all in one place at one time.

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“How to Finance ANY Deal!”

Announcing the most in-depth, intensive three-day Boot Camp you can imagine on real estate financing designed for people who are successful, aggressive real estate investors (or aspire to be someday soon)!  Investors know CASH IS KING and owner financing is the QUEEN!

As a real estate investor, there is nothing like having the ability to know what investing approach to use, know how to structure it, and know how to present it to the seller and get it closed.  Being able to cash out properties is the “grease for the wheels” of this cash intensive business.  The three roads to financing will be taught...Lease Options, Owner Carried Loans and Conventional and Hard Money Loans.  You will also get an opportunity to sign up and receive hands-on training about becoming a loan originator in order to add another cash flow stream of income.

SIGN UP TODAY AND PAY ONLY $695 of the $2,195 fee.  The balance will not be due unless you complete a successful deal from what you have learned!  How can we do this?  We strongly believe that you will learn what you need to know for success and that you will easily do a profitable deal right after attending!  This way we have more at risk than you.

That’s right; if you don't make money we don't get paid the balance of the training fee.  The entire program can be self funding!  You will make money from what you learn…paying you back more than the cost of training.  All you have to do is USE these ideas and we will show you how! 

At the three-day “How to Finance ANY Deal” Boot Camp we will send you out to investigate deals and sign them up.  Then when you come back, we will fine tune your presentation to make getting more deals easier.

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HAVE YOU ALWAYS WANTED TO LEARN ABOUT SHORT SALES???

Here's your opportunity to learn from the best. Lloyd & Sara Story (who are students of Barney’s) have become very successful doing short sales. They've been known to do 5-10 deals in a month!

They have graciously agreed to do a one-day seminar teaching all their secrets to the lucky attendees. It will be held in Orlando, Florida on Saturday, May 14th. For the discounted price of $199.00, please click here or go to www.zick.com  and click on the calendar to register through Barney. Don't hesitate....the room will fill up fast!



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YET ANOTHER SATISFIED STUDENT!

Hi Barney,

I just want to say thank you for the Real Estate education I received from you!! I closed on a sale of a single family home and took home a check of $158,000!!!! I am convinced this happened because I learned the right question to ask. It is a very simple question and a very unique question that you taught me. I was the ONLY person/investor to be allowed to enter the property and present my offer which resulted in my purchase. All other investors were turned away because they did not know to ask the question I asked.

This property was bought 100% no-money-down and without my credit or any type of new loans. It really makes a difference when you are trained by a truly professional real estate investor who is not only very successful but also has years and years of experience. Just goes to show that if a person like me, with no real estate experience at all, (my only experience was stocking chicken!) can do it, anybody else with the right training can also do it.

Sincerely,

Ernie Vargas
http://ratrace.usana.com



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